A question about the incarnation of Christ

GodwithusI have a multiple-part Christmas question for your consideration today. It’s purely hypothetical and in context with what I’ve talked about here.

What if Adam had never fallen? Would Christ still have come in the flesh? Why or why not? And what would that mean for us?

Let me know your (brief) thoughts. 🙂

About Mel Wild

God's favorite (and so are you), a son and a father, happily married to the same beautiful woman for 41 years. We have three incredible adult children. My passion is pursuing the Father's heart in Christ and giving it away to others. My favorite pastime is being iconoclastic and trailblazing the depths of God's grace. I'm also senior pastor of Cornerstone Church in Wisconsin.
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10 Responses to A question about the incarnation of Christ

  1. bullroarin says:

    Ok,a brief answer…not that I have a long answer!

    I’ve often entertained this thought of Adam never sinning and almost always become quite upset with Adam for his shortsightedness and selfishness. Of course one has to realize that he probably had no idea where that sin would lead and all the consequences of it. Every human being, and even all creation, knows and feels the effects of sin. All we have is our imagination of what it would be like to live without the curse, death, and misery that people live in today…let alone the longing for and feelings of separation from God and the questions of eternity.

    I think if Adam had never sinned there would be no need for the atonement because Adam and Eve were already in fellowship with God. There was no curse and there was no reason that we could not live forever in Eden. (short answer)

    Blessings ~ Dave

    • Mel Wild says:

      Dave, I’m totally with you on not knowing what a world without sin or its effects. That’s why this question is very hard to answer. And thanks for being brave and giving an answer. 🙂 But, again, my question puts sin totally out of the picture.

      So let’s go with Adam, Eve and all their offspring, living in the Garden, with no sin nature, generations somehow managing to live without sinning up until now. Would Christ still have come in the flesh? In other words, was this the only reason for Jesus’ incarnation? Because we messed up and God needed a perfect sacrifice so He could forgive us?

      I will make my point, give scripture to back up my point, and the reason why I’m asking in my next post. But for now I would love for us to think this through because there is a really good reason for my question. Actually, it’s stunning! We had a lot of fun discussing this in our service this morning.

  2. paulfg says:

    Mel, what a brave question. I have for some time pondered this foundation stone of faith. The Fall. As though God lost track of what was going on. Was busy doing something else. Took his eye off the ball. And came back to find his two naughty children hiding. Surprise surprise!

    On the basis this is all hypothetical, God says don’t for what reason, God has this tree for what reason. And just how does relationship – real living relationship – work with a no go area planted in the middle. How is is real with the absence of awareness.

    I had an amazing bubble of connection a while ago, wherein all of eternity – and all within – was cyclical. The cycle of life. The kind of bubble which is beyond the fringes of comprehension. The kind of bubble which applauds your question – but doesn’t really know why.

    No answers. Just a wonderful resonance.

    • Mel Wild says:

      Yes, we know one thing for sure. It didn’t take God by surprise! And speaking of trees, I had someone add a new wrinkle today in our discussion. What if Adam had eaten from the Tree of Life instead of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Then, would Jesus still need to come? We know they would’ve lived forever, but even if they managed to never sin, it still doesn’t dig down to the bottom of the question about the incarnation of Christ.

      I will leak out a slight hint to where I’m going with this with another question. Was the goal of the incarnation of Jesus Christ mainly for our justification or our adoption? One involves sin, the other doesn’t and stands apart from sin. Understanding, of course, that justification was necessary because Adam DID sin, but in my hypothetical world there is no sin. So…again, would Jesus still need to come? Why so? And what if He didn’t come to this hypothetical world I’ve dreamed up? What would be our state, even in our sinless condition?

      Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to resonate with me, Paul 🙂

      • paulfg says:

        Mel, loving this conversation – and watching to see where you take it. One thought: I was loved many years as the son of my father (and mother). I love my father and mother as only a son or daughter can do.

        But in the last three months of my dad’s life was privileged to see the man behind the title I had used all my life. Privileged because for forty years I had “known my father. And yet had known only “my father” – not the human being who had been born and lived a full life – not the fragile human being who faced each day with as many questions, flawed certainties, imperfect faith and the same cocktail of living we all carry.

        Had it not been for his dying, I would never have been privileged to see his living.

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  4. Justin says:

    I think He still would have come because He would have wanted to. I’ve often pictured Jesus as walking around in the garden with Adam before the fall.

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