I’ve been looking at how Christianity influenced our modern idea of morality and social justice in the West. It’s been clear from the comments here that the rank and file Christian despisers who come here aren’t willing to admit its ubiquitous influence in our cultural history. So I thought it would good to quote some of their betters who are more intellectually honest.
All of these quotes are from atheists/agnostics. I think you’ll find their honesty refreshing:
Fredrich Nietzsche, Atheist Philosopher:
“When one gives up Christian belief one thereby deprives oneself of the right to Christian morality. For the latter is not self-evident… Christianity is a system.”
Tom Holland, Agnostic Historian:
“You see all the time in the news at the moment that to cast yourself as a victim is to somehow give yourself power, and you would only have power by virtue of being a victim if you existed in the context of a society that was still in its fundamentals Christian. In the Roman world, if you said, ‘I’m a victim.’ they would say, ‘yeah, and…?’ ‘I’ll enslave you…” Or, ‘I’ll rape you, I’ll do whatever.’”
See full interview on post here.
John Steinrucken, Atheist Author:
“Those who doubt the effect of religion on morality should seriously ask the question: Just what are the immutable moral laws of secularism? Be prepared to answer, if you are honest, that such laws simply do not exist!”
Steinrucken also writes the following in “Secularism’s Ongoing Debt to Christianity“:
“Rational thought may provide better answers to many of life’s riddles than does faith alone” it is still Christianity that “has made possible the advancement of Western civilization. That is, the glue that has held Western civilization together over the centuries is the Judeo-Christian tradition.”
“Open secular thought, depends on the continuance within our society of the Judeo-Christian tradition.”
“An orderly society is dependent on a generally accepted morality. There can be no such morality without religion.”
Luke Muehlhauser, Atheist researcher:
“Consider the claim we moral realists are making. We generally claim there are invisible properties in the world not detectable by our usual tools of science, properties of an entirely different sort than the usual ‘is’ facts of science. These are mysterious ‘ought’ facts, and there is great disagreement about what they are or how we know them. Now that is a strong claim. An extraordinary claim, we might say. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, right?”
NOTE: There’s NO historical evidence to their claim about “ought” facts coming from natural selection divorced from religion or from any ancient non-religious source. It’s a pure faith-based position.
These are just a few of the intellectually honest atheists and secularists.
Another good source to educate these anti-Christian history deniers is an atheist site by Tim O’Neill called: “History for Atheists: New Atheists Getting It Wrong.” It’s quite good and the title pretty much says it all.